Heritage President Kevin Roberts Schools MSNBC Hosts on Illegal Immigration, Project 2025

Kevin Roberts ventured into unfriendly territory Saturday morning to face hostile questions from MSNBC hosts Symone Sanders-Townsend and Michael Steele. His masterful performance exposed their radical views on immigration and scaremongering about Project 2025 .

Five months after schooling the global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, The Heritage Foundation president once again found himself in the lion’s den.

This time, the conversation centered on illegal immigration and Project 2025, the Heritage-led coalition that’s supplying policy ideas and personnel to the next presidential administration.

Sanders-Townsend, a former aide to Sen. Bernie Sanders , President Joe Biden , and Vice President Kamala Harris , fully embraced the left’s lawless approach to immigration. At one point, she even scolded Steele, the former Maryland lieutenant governor and Republican National Committee chairman, for uttering the word “illegal immigrant.”

Roberts was challenging the two liberal hosts on heinous crimes committed by illegal aliens when Steele began to ask, “What is the different between an illegal immigrant, who, unfortunately, engages in that activity?”

But even before he could finish, Sanders-Townsend interrupted. “I want to be clear; we don’t use the term illegal. They’re undocumented individuals.”

“That’s sweet,” Roberts replied. “They’re illegal aliens.”

Steele, at one point during the segment, suggested he was ready to move on, but Roberts appeared to relish the debate. “I’ll stay as long as you want,” he retorted.

The hosts pressed Roberts on securing the border and deporting those who have entered the United States illegally.

“We need to have the biggest mass deportation system ever in the history of America because it is unjust, illegal, and evil that more than 10 million illegal aliens have come to this country,” Roberts said.

Just this week, another American family faced the tragic consequences of illegal immigration. The Houston Police Department announced the arrests of illegal aliens Johan Jose Rangel Martinez and Franklin Jose Pena Ramos, who face capital murder charges in the death of 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray.

“You are weaponizing a horrific murder to smear 11 million people,” Sanders-Townsend told Roberts.

Later, during a separate appearance on Steve Bannon’s “War Room,” Roberts said he was most disappointed by Steele’s response.

“I was appalled that [Steele] accused us of using an ‘anecdote’ to make a larger point,” Roberts told Bannon. “That anecdote is the human life of a 12-year-old girl in Houston. That anecdote is that college-aged young lady in Georgia. That anecdote is now dozens, several dozens, of American citizens who’ve been killed by illegal aliens.

“The only way that you can begin to try to make sense of that position, that Steele and others are holding, is that they simply don’t weigh the importance of American citizenship.”

In another discussion on Project 2025—which has become an infatuation of left-wing media—the MSNBC hosts quizzed Roberts about his ideas for overhauling the federal workforce.

“If Heritage is calling for removing 50,000 federal employees, who are you replacing them with?” Steele asked.

“The number needs to be more than 50,000 considering that there are more than 2 million federal employees,” Roberts responded. “Over the last century, the radical Left has seen the administrative state as the fourth branch of government. They’re unelected bureaucrats. … Ultimately, we have to devolve power from the imperial city of Washington back to the people.”

In his subsequent appearance with Bannon, Roberts said Project 2025 frightens the Left because conservatives have a plan that will restore the constitutional republic. He also sounded a note of optimism that it’s resonating with the American people, even if it hasn’t yet penetrated the MSNBC newsroom.

“They literally live in a social bubble of Washington, D.C., or New York City, or the left coast,” Roberts told Bannon. “And, therefore, they have lost sight of the fact that it isn’t just among American conservatives, it’s also American centrists, even a handful of American liberals, who understand that this country is in really bad shape for a lot of reasons.”

Heritage President Kevin Roberts with MSNBC’s Symone Sanders-Townsend and Michael Steele. (Photo: MSNBC)

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Trump Vows Task Force to Investigate Anti-Christian Bias

WASHINGTON—Citing the federal arrests of pro-life activists, former President Donald Trump vowed to establish a task force to investigate anti-Christian bias if he is elected to another term. 

Joe Biden has weaponized the Justice Department to viciously prosecute pro-life activists,” Trump said of the current president on Saturday during remarks at the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s 15th annual Road to Majority Conference in Washington, D.C. 

“I will also create a new federal task force on fighting anti-Christian bias,” Trump later added. “Its mission will be to investigate all forms of illegal discrimination, harassment, and persecution against Christians in America. It’s taking place at a level that nobody can believe. This is not America any more that we are living in.” 

Trump specifically talked about the case of Paulette Harlow, a 75-year-old woman sentenced recently to 24 months in prison for singing in front of an abortion clinic after she was convicted of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, or FACE Act. 

Harlow told The Daily Signal earlier this month, “I felt like it was a tremendous privilege to stand in the court on behalf of the unborn, who have no voice.” 

For its part, the Biden administration has said the FACE Act is in place to protect the health and safety of women seeking abortions.

Trump delivered a wide-ranging speech, talking almost 90 minutes about the border crisis, the economy and inflation, and crime. He also talked about his own legal problems, which he said were bogus. 

He was in front of an enthusiastic crowd that interrupted his speech several times with chants of “Trump, Trump, Trump,” and “USA, USA.”

Trump said he has more political wounds than any other president, but noted Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson come closest.

His remarks come days before the first presidential debate between Trump and Biden on Thursday. 

This was Trump’s ninth speech at the Road to Majority Conference.

He is banking on comparing the strong economy under his watch with the lagging economy and inflation under the Biden administration. Biden, meanwhile, is beginning to primarily campaign on Trump’s felony conviction in New York last month.

Trump began talking about the targeting of pro-life activists as a contrast with his position that abortion is a policy that should be decided by the states—not the federal government. 

He talked about the three justices he appointed to the Supreme Court who voted with the court’s majority in 2022 to scrap the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that made abortion legal nationwide. 

“Thanks to these justices, we have what the pro-life movement has fought for for 49 years and we’ve gotten abortion out of the federal government,” Trump said. “Now, the people will decide, and that’s the way it should be. Some states will be more conservative. Some states will be more liberal.”

Trump insisted Democrats don’t want people in the states deciding. 

“If the radical Democrat extremes get their way, they will have a federal law on abortion to rip the baby out of the womb in the seventh, eight, ninth month, or even execute the baby after birth,” Trump said. 

The “execute” reference, Trump said, was about former Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, who had seemingly supported the idea of allowing a baby who survived an abortion to be killed. 

Trump said he is pro-life, but made exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, or incest. 

“Every voter has to go with your heart and do what is right. We have to get elected,” Trump told the audience. 

Trump is scheduled for a rally in Philadelphia, and wasn’t originally on the conference’s speaking list. Trump said that his campaign staff encouraged him to cancel out of the Faith and Freedom Coalition event, and he joked, “I don’t have the courage to do that.”

Trump told the largely Christian crowd that not enough Christians turn out to vote. 

“Christians go to church, but they don’t vote that much,” Trump said. “Do you know how much power you’ll have if you vote? Just this time. In four years, I don’t care.”

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For Caitlin Clark, Adversity Leads to Triumph

In 1947, legendary baseball star and Hall of Famer Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier, becoming the first black athlete to play in Major League Baseball in the modern era when he joined the Brooklyn Dodgers.

Before that, he and his fellow black athletes were relegated to the Negro leagues, lesser-known leagues at the time but ones that had superstars and an overall grueling competition that rivaled, if not exceeded, the MLB’s.

When Robinson joined the MLB, he faced all kinds of racist acts , from verbal abuse and threats, like when Philadelphia Phillies manager Ben Chapman and his players infamously taunted Robinson with racial epithets during a game, to physical intimidation and discrimination, such as pitchers purposely throwing at his head or spiking him with their cleats, to hotels and restaurants refusing to accommodate him.

Robinson said, at the time, “I felt tortured and tormented. I had to stay out there and stand there and take all that abuse.”

In 2001, at the Indian Wells Open, legendary tennis star Serena Williams and her sister Venus were accused of match-fixing. This comment was exacerbated when Venus, who was meant to play against Serena in the semifinals, withdrew from the match due to a leg injury just moments before it was meant to begin, automatically propelling Serena to the finals.

At the finals, where Serena faced off against Kim Clijsters, there was noticeably loud booing from the crowd, who continued to express their anger toward Serena during the match. Serena won, but the boos continued, and while she, her father, and Venus were walking to their seats, one man said to them, “I wish it was ’75; we’d skin you alive.”

At the 2007 Sony Ericsson Championship, a heckler shouted to Serena, “That’s the way to do it! Hit the net like any Negro would!” Not only that, but fans and journalists alike routinely made racially driven remarks about her physique and attitude.

Earlier this month, in a WNBA game between the Indiana Fever and Chicago Sky, college and WNBA superstar Caitlin Clark of the Fever was body-checked by Sky star player Chennedy Carter in a flagrant display of unsportsmanlike conduct.

Carter has been lambasted by WNBA fans and passive onlookers of the sport. There was even a moment when a person in Washington, D.C., confronted Carter outside of her team’s hotel.

Longtime fans of the game have noted that this type of dirty play is common among WNBA players , yet with fresh new faces watching the sport as a direct result of Clark’s entry into the league, many onlookers questioned the racial dynamics of the situation and how it may have motivated the push.

Professional basketball is generally dominated by black athletes. In fact, despite the fact that blacks make up approximately 13% of the U.S. population, nearly 64% of WNBA players are black. This statistic is practically the same in the NBA, with approximately 70% of players being black.

Is it possible that Clark, a white athlete joining the WNBA, a league with historically low ratings and an average attendance of around 6,000 fans per game (compared to the NBA’s 18,000), and who has significantly elevated the sport to unprecedented levels, might face criticism from black athletes?

Can we also say that fans and passive observers who witnessed Carter’s shove of Clark, a common occurrence in competitive sports , may be exhibiting more severe reactions toward her due to her being a black woman?

The level of people and personalities coming to Clark’s defense for a simple shove is disproportionately high, so high that even Rep. Jim Banks , R-Ind., sent a letter to the WNBA encouraging it to curb “excessive” physical play.

I think we can say with absolute certainty that the backlash regarding the event would not have happened if Clark were a black athlete. We can say that with certainty because, as previously mentioned, this level of play is common in the WNBA and has been common for years.

But, at the same time, could it not also be true that black athletes in the WNBA are displeased that a white athlete has stolen their glory and, within a short time, propelled the league into a position that was once unattainable even with the efforts they put in for decades?

Just as Jackie Robinson, Serena and Venus Williams, and other top black athletes faced adversity throughout their careers, I have no doubt this situation has fueled Clark to perform at her best and set her on a path to greatness.


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